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You seem to have a strong hatred for Krakauer. Your commentary therefore ruined my opinion of the video. Next time please refrain from being so biased on the subject.

Wrong -- the delay was caused by Sandy Hill Pittman.... She and her Sherpa, Lopsang, did not fix ropes as they were supposed to.... This caused a two hour delay..... She needed to be on top to broadcast to the world and that seemed to be more important than fixing ropes!!! More important than the safety of the other climbers.... To hell with the other climbers. A two delay for the other climbers was a dangerous move on Pittman's part. It is too dangerous to start out two hours late for the summit -- One needs to get back before nightfall and all those people had summit fever, let alone the desire of the team leaders for all that free publicity broadcast around the world. ..... Hall and Fischer were only interested in publicity brought to you by Outside and by NBC..... Hall and Fischer were ultimately responsible for the safety of all the climbers, but they broke all their rules. They were responsible for everyone's behavior, and yet not fixing ropes allowed Pittman to be in the lead by two hours. And those behind her were catching up as she was not in the greatest of shape. I think you put too much into one photo and I think your analysis is completely wrong and a bit of a fantasy.... You are also much too critical of Krakauer. I have reread his book and it seems very honest unlike the book by Boukreev, who was a hero. Krakauer's account is much more believable. The death zone robs you not only of Oxygen and energy but of logical thinking. Combined with the cold and bad weather that occurred there is little doubt that no one was in good shape after reaching the summit. Further, the going up the mountain in the death zone is quite tough. You take a step. You rest. You take another step. You rest. Even with O2. May all those who lost their lives RIP.

I think you are mistaken... remember they are not the ONLY people there... and they had to wait to fix ropes.

Think about it: If Irvine was ever found, why wouldn't the Chinese announce it publicly? Or it was "so important to not say anything about it?

Fascinating. Well done. I will comment with a little more detail after watching again and letting my thoughts incubate. But my initial impression is that this is excellent research and commentary. It is at least highly relevant information relating to this mystery. Mr. Tracy's passion on this case is inspiring. In a way, it makes me come alive, and wake up, for just a moment, to try and see what we can see- to try and deduce what can be known about Mallory's story from what we have.

Respect Mother nature, Dont go with the mindset to Conquer your Small Ego. Prepare your body and mind meditating and controlling Breath by various Yoga Asanas. Sherpas and porter's risk there life's, listen to them. Har Har Mahadev Bharat Mata ki jai. Be Safe guy's.

is the part of michael tracy played by harry shearer from the simpsons

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I feel like Krakauer is a bit of a tool. When i say "a bit" i mean hes entirely a tool bag.

This pains me to say, but I don't think JK was saying he went from the Hillary Step to the summit in 12 minutes. I think what he was saying, using way too many random words and explanations, was that he switched to his second O2 bottle on the Balcony, and in a 7 hour time period he would have to go from the Balcony, to the summit, but to the South Summit to get his 3rd bottle. And he was apparently concerned at some point at or near the summit he would have to get to the South Summit in less than 45 minutes, which I'm guessing is not possible. I could be wrong though...I did read that paragraph like 10 times trying to understand it. Lol

While the accounts of the journey have validity as misogynistic, sandy’s insensitivity post everest is where she lost support.

reading your replies to the comments on this video, you seem pretty condescending for someone running a channel with discussion/debate being a key component.

I may be wrong here, but the statement that if the oxygen flow rate was set to maximum, the user would have heard the excessive flow seems to ignore possible wind noise at the time. However, even if this were the case, there appears to be other reasons to question this story element.

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Very well done. I have pondered this event much over the last few years and was confused by differing accounts. I am not sure it is all completely untangled, but this has I believe improved the overall accuracy of the account.

So in one of the documentaries I watched Several problems To many people trying to summit at the same time The window for summiting and getting down was closing There is an account of one person from adventure consultants team was on the summit waiting while the fixed the ropes on the traverse to the Hilary step Mind you This is 1996 there is no social media and it's the first climbing season with over 100 climbers at base camp at the same time Anyone who watched the movie has some of the information The storm that trapped everyone at camp 4 came up from the valley very unusual Yes and lop sing was dragging sandy up when he was supposed to monitoring the amount of oxygen bottles above camp 4 so Rob was trapped at the south summit with no O2 because lop sing didn't do his job

Krakauer's explanation of what happened in his lecture (on youtube) is totally counter to the accounts by Neil Bidelman in the PBS documentary.

Interesting. Correcting disinformation is a thankless job, but someone has to do it. This is good work.

Pollard seems like he is trying to make money off the Mallory and Irvine story. He is getting older and probably doesn't have a lot of money to make for a comfortable retirement and has to do story telling to make some money.

Well, it's really easy to condescendingly, in the LIGHT of day, to have opinions (when the wind is not gusting in the 70s, you are cold etc). And, just btw, it is rare, almost unheard of to find statues raised in honor of a critic.

Why am I not the least bit surprised. A bust of Chairman Mao my ass.

What a crock. Krakauer was there and he questioned everybody who was there. His is the most comprehensive account. Everybody who had something to say was included. He gave full disclosure.

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I’m so glad you are representing the hard facts in these videos. It’s clear Krakauer lied and exaggerated to make himself some kind of protagonist, and UNFAIRLY as hell portrayed others as villains when they were much more brave and heroic than he. He ruined Sandy and Bourkeev’s reputations for decades. It’s only now people are really talking about it, and how much “Into Thin Air” is to blame. Also, I had no idea about Rob Hall paying Outside for the article/ads. The last few sentences of this video made everything make sooo much sense.

He inserts himself and his preconceived assumptions into all of his books. They shold be consistent historical fiction.

Just found your channel and your common sense and logic is by far above the rest of the field who just take Krakauers book at face value without a single question. I always thought them lingering at the summit and the way it was brushed off like “well that happened” just didn’t pass the smell test at all. Also really loved your Sandy Pitman video where you layout all the ways ppl have hung so much blame on her shoulders due to ppl just not liking her and basically calling her accomplishments irrelevant. Thanks for the new info!

I really love these longer videos you’ve been making. I watch every video you put out. I appreciate your logical approach to this subject, your thorough research, your citing of sources and facts - you build very strong cases that are hard to disagree with!

Sorry but i'm sure Irvine and Mallory were the same height, maybe 1-1.5 inch difference, the difference in the photo is because Andrew is standing higher on the rocks so the surface is uneven.

FWIW, during the interview when Jon says 'we' got the first radio call, I always took that as a kind of collective of the people who were farther down the mountain. I recall Ed Viesturs commenting on getting radio calls from the group trapped farther up from their lower camp, and he said something like 'we got a call' but he wasn't in the tent at the time. I'm with you on a lot of these arguments, but that one just sounds like a quirk of language. 'We' for Jon could have been anything from 'the group of us that weren't stuck up top,' 'the survivors,' or any number of things, IMO.

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Your distaste for Krakauer is palpable. In the fog of an Everest climb, memories of times and sequences are often confused. Get real bro.

Michael, in my opinion your channel is THE most valid and informative source about mountaineering in the Everest region of the Himalaya. Kindly keep the positive momentum going! Take care, be well and continue to perform good deeds.

How anyone can believe what a journalist says.. they are paid liars and also he was trying to sell a book Also we know how westerners or yanks blame Russia for anything they possibly can not the incompetence of Scott and Rob

Does Ghost Above had been removed?

Another question to this photo: My understanding was that Hall during his descent encountered Hansen and accompanied him on the last stretch to the summit. Why is he not to be seen on that picture?

As a mail carrier I delivered a lot of Outside magazines. When Mallory was discovered that issue had a cover photo of his corpse propped up in a sitting position facing the photographer. It was very ghoulish. I assume Mallory’s family lodged a complaint against the magazine. That photo isn’t posted anywhere on the internet

The Summit, seems like "the last step, but one" refers to the summit. Sounds like two dudes discussing the path and one person saying, "that's the last step," and the other person pointing at the summit saying, "But one." And it stuck. What else would it be? Nothing else make sense.

After this review and reading similar things about other books written on the subject, I am wondering what is the best book to read on the M+I mystery?

Two years have passed since this video was posted. Has anyone been to the museum since?

Very curious! Great work on piecing all this together. When can we expect the parts 2 and 3? Thanks!

One contributing factor is that Beidleman used to be a motivational speaker. People attend such events to hear empowering stories about determination, teamwork and overcoming adversity. Hard facts are not the main concern. I find it plausible that Beidleman, having retold the account so many times, gradually "optimized" it for such audience. Maybe he even started to believe it because just like in Krakauer's case it's easier to tell a version of the story in which the protagonists don't have to make questionable or morally ambiguous decisions. It's hard to blame him though, he did what he thought was best at the time. Charlotte Fox published an article in 1997 called A Time To Live, A Time To Die where she says: "I took one last look at the tents-so close-and then kept moving with the others. We spent an interminable time descending carefully in the darkness and increasing wind, spreading out individually in our search for camp. The ground flattened out; we were walking among oxygen bottles, but still no tents. Neal had the presence of mind to gather the dispersing people before anyone was lost."

Could Sandy Irvine's body have fallen off the north side due to avalanche's, I have seen on Google Earth Pro from where George Mallory's body was found and below that is a shear wall scree slope, I would say they were on the way down from the summit, Irvine lost his footing and fell first while they where tethered together, hence Mallory clawing with his hands and feet to try and stop himself falling. I would imagine that Irvine's body is further down and more to the left of the north side of Everest, not knowing if there was any strong winds during the descent, but only a future search of this area below 26.000ft could confirm this.

2:37 how tall is that mountain in the rear of this photo? That looks almost comparable to Everest! Im assuming it is probably another famous mountain, but I am a complete noob to geography in this area, and mountaineering in general. Forgive my ignorance!